maTo - 23 April 2008 05:52 AM

notBostonBTFan - 21 April 2008 09:35 AM

but 25 years from now...he will be known as a music pioneer.  Personally I’d rather have people talking about me in 25 years from now doing something revolutionary than a bunch of wankers on a message board figuring out what color of underwear I am wearing.

notBoston

yup, in 25 years Bush will be celebrated for invading Iraq and BT for changing music.  every track will be nano-corrected and processed through a chip implanted in your head.

wow, thanks captain depressing.

too many possibilities : /

what do you choose to do next when you could theoretically do Anything??

that’s today. you open up more and more possibilities until you are just burnt out. myspace, news, music, art… you need your limitations to thrive on the struggles before you.

No… sorry, that’s not the case at all. Theoretically, anyone can do anything… you need to be focused and have a plan. You don’t have to stick to it at all times, but we all need structure and know where we want to be, as a focus of direction. Does BT want to be an artist anymore producing and working in an environment making ‘dance’ orientated style music and associated genres? If so (and i hope so) whats the news? When can we hope to hear some new material? Whats the story? According to his website the first single from the new album was going to be dropped at Miami? Hmmm… It’s just another example of bullshit and bravado (whos to blame? No idea… but I guess as an artist you gotta take your fanbase seriously as they generate revenue - keep building it up and not delivering and people are going to go elsewhere) and I for one, am bored to the back teeth of it.. its really very frustrating… what an opportunity he has to be able to do what he does and have people who want to listen to it. It has nothing to do with possibilities… it has all to do with passion and structure.

I’m not quite ready to count him out just yet.  At this point he may have more going against him than for him, but that can change as quickly as a new release.  It’s my sincere hope that he has chosen to leave all the histrionic bullshit (like Myspace) behind and get back to the business of making music.

And while we’re at it, let’s be honest - the music is the only thing people really care about.

Yeah, I totally agree… it is about the music… not about long winded, self indulgent blog updates about the fragility of life.

DJWanaB - 27 April 2008 07:14 PM

And while we’re at it, let’s be honest - the music is the only thing people really care about.

So where is it? The Internet and technology caught up with him. Hard to make a bang anymore like his text in the ego-ridden ESCM inlay.

This thread should live a long life. I say we call it “209”

http://www.bt-network.org/board/viewthread/209/

Not sure what you mean Fuzz by the ESCM text? Pray tell… just read the copy and I can’t find much more than than the Sony headphones text? You seem to have made a u-turn in terms of how you now speak about BT. It wasn’t so long ago that you would of defended him 90 percent of the time. Which makes me wonder, whatever has gone on, between you both (I don’t want to know - just that it must be significant in terms of the content you write is so different now) and the bigger picture concerning the last few years, if its more detrimental than we first thought. I mean, I remember a time were we came to this place for information… now a lot of folks have drifted away, and I can’t really blame them in a way. There is just no news. No music. Nothing. I never thought it would come to this… a feeling of something that was good becoming this stale, husk of what once was. Its very, very sad… and such a disappointment… I always regarded BT as a pioneer in his trade… someone who just ‘is’… like a Peter Gabriel character who is immersed in the creative pathways… I hope I was right!

Blue

I never thought it would come to this

The only constant is change. *pukes a little*

Brian’s lost out on so many opportunities to push his image into the full public eye.  And the one time that he does; it’s a circumstance against him in the case of the Kaia ordeal.  Months of silence on new tracks have taken their toll, with just empty filler words to try to keep the excitement and enthusiasm aimed in direction. 

So far he’s got on back-order:
-A website redesign
-A board redesign
-A sound clip of SOMETHING
-Tons of projects that seem to fall short and lose steam as time goes by

I mean I’m not “in the know,” but that’s the image he’s putting out and I’m sure we as fans are tired of it.

... and

a book about time correction, a track with Imogen, his earth-shattering software, etc. etc.

... and the ESCM inlay text reads, “Sequenced by BT and Andy Gray on Protools with some plug-ins you won’t be hearing for years.”

Talk about an FU and cock-off. There’s a story about the guy in MD at the music shop where BT used to buy his gear who leaked the names and info of some of the “plug-ins you won’t be hearing for years” to others who came in and BT was livid. I guess his secrets are his only… unless he tells other people about them; then you aren’t supposed to say anything.

how does he manage to release anything at all.  lol

while u’re at it, what was the story behind “do that she can” with Bowie?  it seems back then that u were holding back something.....

"Sequenced by BT and Andy Gray on Protools with some plug-ins you won’t be hearing for years.” Yes, sorry, I thought it was something more that you were referencing. I always thought that was pretty cool to be fair… the statement of “this has been done with stuff that is soooo cutting edge, I am lucky enough to be using it!” and a bit of jealousy here and there is also aspiring if done with the correct intent. I guess i started to feel the pinch of not accepting a standpoint when the whole “somnambulist” thing came to our attention. It gained a world record by having the most stutter edits in it… and they were generated by using Kyma? I think thats what it was… the ‘capybyra’ box of tricks that mashed sound using granular synthesis… (a bit like Malstrom in Reason only 1000 times more expensive). We were told so many times about that piece of trickery that in the end I couldn’t give two hoots, as while it was being credited so much, other music that wasn’t time corrected or stutter edited was coming to our attention that sounded just as neat. I will say three words that tipped me over the edge, and no, its not “crap white suit”....Time corrected rain? What the fook is time corrected rain? The last moment of clarity on ET features time corrected rain (if I keep typing it maybe it will stop making me so angry)… but here’s the rub, it doesnt sound time corrected, it sounds like… well.... like some rain. I mean come on… please… get with the program… If we all decided to time correct rain… or the sound of ants (i made that one up) we wouldnt be doing much work would we? Maybe thats the problem. Just open Logic, have some fun, play in some guitar… and produce… no time correcting rain (grrr) or a million stutter edits per nano second… no making music via code (yawn) just get on and get in… and enjoy… surely in order to feed the need of wanting to progress in terms of new technology and to also be commercially viable you have to gain some sort of structure to the process? What happened with stutter editing software? By the time thats released it will be like selling “snare filler” software… everyone can stutter edit now… thats the deal… we all have the same technology (or there abouts) and thats what makes it so much fun. No middle men, no stupid record deals, no curbed creative deadlines… so why, in this age, are we getting nothing? Discuss....

Blue

Because he’s probably still busy paying off the legal fees from the Kaia case.

The Bowie track supposedly was something Brian only had 24 hours to create, and did what he could with the time that was given to him.

I really don’t know anything about the Kaia case… so I can’t comment. Anyway I can find some info, as Im guessing its a contentious issue to mention it here, let alone discuss. His girlfriend did a runner and took her… I think that’s right? As far as legal fees… well, he does seem to be the bad luck kid (stolen macs, mugged at gunpoint, having his hair coloured - that sort of thing). he should move away from LA, its obviously not for him!

I’ll skip your last comment Blue as I am all tuckered out on the home front circus.  But you make a great point in your previous post about spontanaity and fun in the creation of music.  A great artist can take a meticulous and tedious process and produce art that in every way feels spontaneous and fun.  This approach really sums up BT’s best work in my opinion.  Somewhere along the way BT seems to have drank the coolaid and fallen into the misconception that people really cared about the process.  It’s true that some do.  There are always those fans who are aspiring themselves to make similar art who can’t get enough of the minutia but most folks just want to get lost in the end result for a few minutes and sound track a moment of their lives. 

Music is always about the listening experience, not what the listener thinks about the author or the process of creation.  The second part only happens when the first part hits home.  My whole disappointment is the utter lack of the former for a very long time and the growing impression that the a very gifted artist is no longer interested.

Your statement is almost 100% true about the music coming before the artist always, however it’s a reflection of the artist’s integrity.  We all completely understand how gifted he is, however when someone slips up, it’s all I can think about when listening to their work.  I also truly understand that nobody is perfect, and I can accept an artist making mistakes in their career.  We all do.  But, when it becomes a repeated issue, it’s time that an artist’s fans step back and look at the situation as more than just the music.

btw, what happend to BT and Nettwerk.  did that relationship go sour too?

Yes and no. Brian and Nettwerk parted ways because they flatly refused to support TBU, and because of the horribly-botched promotion of ET… leading to a period of estrangement for a couple years. After BT sold the shit out of TBU from DTS (a deal he pretty much had to sign his soul over for), Nettwerk reportedly came back willing to reconcile. Last I heard, they were slated to release his new album and do everything they failed to do with ET, such as release multiple singles and actively promote it. That’s what Brian told me nearly a year ago, and so it still remains highly speculative on all fronts. At least until the next album comes out.

Sold the shit out of?  Do you really think the TBU sales were that good?  I know of a lot of people who are very big into high end home audio, and surround sound recordings of live orchestras and crap like that.. and they have never heard of it..  And I would hardly call it a readily available release..  It was pretty damn hard to find when it was released, and I don’t think that has gotten much better..  I’ve seen some random copies of it floating around at stores, but most of the time stores don’t have very much BT material on the shelves anymore…

I would guess that TBU did well for what it was, but I didn’t think the sales number were that high.  But then again, are any DTS releases high volume releases?

But what happened with blackhole?  There was excitement that his album was going to get released there and actually do well with support from a label that has done great promotional work for other artists… I have a hard time believing that all of his release troubles boil down to issues with the label… There are so many labels out there, go pick another one..

Sold the shit out of?  Do you really think the TBU sales were that good?  I know of a lot of people who are very big into high end home audio, and surround sound recordings of live orchestras and crap like that.. and they have never heard of it..  And I would hardly call it a readily available release..  It was pretty damn hard to find when it was released, and I don’t think that has gotten much better.

maybe in the first few weeks it was released Mo, but for over a year I have seen TBU EVERYWHERE. I’m surprised I haven’t seen it at Wal-Mart. Plus it was talked about on a lot of message boards like Tranceaddict (with Anti-Mech even being single of the year) so i’m sure a few of them bought it as well.
I know more people who own TBU than probably all of his other releases combined. So there is that.

btw, what happend to BT and Nettwerk

its kind of funny because its like a mad-lib—take out Nettwerk and enter anything you like. Besides what Shane mentioned what about the stuff with Blackwatch, Bill Hamel, the alt-rock-country song based album, the stuff with that turntablist DJ (drawing a blank), and im sure i’m not remembering about 14 others. I believe all of that is/was completed and forgotten. Not exactly good money spent there.

The easy answer is when involving other people, things get tied up, etc etc… but what about this example? In the year+ that Deadmau5 has been in the public eye, he has recorded and released good tracks with Kaskade, Tommy Lee, DJ Aero, Steve Dada, Burufunk, Glenn Morrison and more. I’m not a huge Deadmau5 guy but he has a pretty impressive resume for his time. And it involves a lot of different people, and they all seem to have fun with it. And… he is making money. Tracks are flying off the shelves on beatport.

Yeah… very true Raven… Deadmau5 as an artist is totally submerged in the whole IDM scene at the moment… the sound may have shifted to the right, at the moment on a sort of minimal / glitch tip… but that’s what electronic music does. Just as BT made TBU, its another ‘genre’ of the scene… but with Deadmau5, and other artists at the moment, they are totally into the scene and are shaping the sound of the moment. For me it’s been as if Brian has opted out of the scene? He’s no longer seen as a player in the league, and although I agree that a career in soundtrack production may have more longevity I also have to say that the whole cock up with ET has created a shocking state of affairs. The well seems to have dried up. I don’t care what anyone says, in my opinion, looking at the things that went on back there as they were presented to me, he was all for becoming a pop star. I reckon the marketing behind ET (that never happened) was swayed that way… in some ways I’m glad it never happened, as I think the guy deserves recognition I don’t think the white suit and the bleached hair was the way forward in order to achieve it. So now what?

Deadmau is burning out faster than Brian did, because it’s only been two years since he broke out and the Aussies are already calling him Deadcunt. He’s stood people up at shows, isn’t very personable, reportedly an ass to work with in the studio, and his vast amounts of success are short-term bandwagon-hopping into the electro genre. Doing remixes for Hybrid and bootlegs of Daft Punk doesn’t make you an electronic music superstar. He’ll be done by 2009, tops… unless he actually does an artist album worthy of Trentemoller’s debut effort.

mohaughn - 19 May 2008 10:18 PM

Sold the shit out of?  Do you really think the TBU sales were that good?  I know of a lot of people who are very big into high end home audio, and surround sound recordings of live orchestras and crap like that.. and they have never heard of it..  And I would hardly call it a readily available release..  It was pretty damn hard to find when it was released, and I don’t think that has gotten much better..  I’ve seen some random copies of it floating around at stores, but most of the time stores don’t have very much BT material on the shelves anymore…

I would guess that TBU did well for what it was, but I didn’t think the sales number were that high.  But then again, are any DTS releases high volume releases?

When I say “sold the shit out of,” I mean that DTS expected their initial 10,000 run to last, and all of them ended up being sold within the first two days. I was noodling around at Magnolia as a seasonal when it came in, and our demo room had two copies on hand. I’ve never seen the long-term sales numbers, but best guess, I’d peg them between 100 and 150,000 distributed. (Distributed, not sold.)

When I say “sold the shit out of,” I mean that DTS expected their initial 10,000 run to last, and all of them ended up being sold within the first two days. I was noodling around at Magnolia as a seasonal when it came in, and our demo room had two copies on hand. I’ve never seen the long-term sales numbers, but best guess, I’d peg them between 100 and 150,000 distributed. (Distributed, not sold.)

Ahh.. Cool.. I didn’t think they even distributed that many… Good for him if the number was that high..  To bad back taxes in Maryland probably ate up all of that profit..